Analyzing Stormfront.org (Part I. Membership and Federal Agency Involvement) Saturday, Dec 12 2009 

While many would not believe me saying what the title says, after closely following various discussions on the so called white nationalist site, the poor bastards don’t even know that they their site might have been hijacked by the federal agents during sometime this year, possibly during Summer.  When the first proposals of various registrations came out, regarding  “right wing extremism” and now as the “hate crime laws” are signed by pres. Obama, the site was already under the control of various infiltrators coming from think-tanks,  FBI and other undercover agents.  In this part of this blog, I’m gonna tell you my own observation regarding Stormfront and Its members and how to gain access to the site and become a popular member on the site.

Their main purpose?

First and foremost, to gather intelligence, regarding extremism and extremists and keep a close tab on various nationalist and right wing organizations across USA and also Europe.

How would they do this?

Very easy. There are no real rules how to become a member on Stormfront.  You simply post in the “opposing section” which is heavily moderated, but  sympathetic posts to white nationalism will be allowed to go through as well as some ridiculous posts made by the “anti-whites” , or lets just call them people who write quite dumb things out of a gut reaction.

I’ll write about  later on FBI involvement and undercover agents on Stormfront.org, for now I’m gonna focus on members and membership on Stormfront.org

Those “guests”,  who are allowed and post something that is more of an outrage or even hatred,  the real  purpose of allowing  to redicule  everybody, who disagree with the site or the ideology behind Stormfront and Don Blacks’ creation of the white nationalist forum. I’m not sure, but it is a possibility, if some of these posts are actually made by -signed out- full members, posing as guests, perhaps with the help of a proxy server to hide their identity and whether they are or aren’t , we wouldn’t know for sure, not even by the members or the moderators would know it either, unless the moderators and the administration is involved as well.

The sympathetic ones stay on, regardless of who wrote it, it could be a Chinese or Japanese or even a black person. The forum members who respond to those, treat them as like some sort of a “ambassador” from another “tribe” or “race” and either will serve them as a reinforcement of their beliefs, but even them could fall victim of vicious racists who will try to pull some sarcastic racist jokes on them anyway, eventually they will be chased off the site by the real haters, for whom you can tell whatever you want, they will either respond with a noose or a satirical cartoon to ridicule them, completely destroying the credibility of what most of them would voice about “we just want separation between races”.

So, going back to how to become a member, how to reach the status of someone who is regarded as a “patriot” of white nationalism and gain support of others:

As long as you continue to post sympathetic thoughts to white nationalism, you will be soon granted a membership on the site and eventually your posts won’t be filtered by moderators anymore.  Once you reach that status, you are granted to post within all the forums and it’s time to collect your green dots.

The green dots, representing your status on the site; your reputation.   Many look upon the ones, who got many green dots comming from “repping” or “giving him a reputation, based on what he or she has posted and others agreed on his posts. It must be easy to collect those, as long as you blame the Jews or the Negroes one way or another, you lead or side track any discussions that will end up with a Jewish involvement or the “savage Negroes”.

The most active section of the site is the news site and it’s the busiest as well, visited by guests the most often and,  you’d find some pretty interesting linked articles coming from various sources, that you most likely won’t see being discussed on CNN or FoxNews.  Of course if you ever read it..you must take everything there with that spoon of antisemitism and racism added, usually by the commenting members replying below, and if you are really just surfing the web for info and you come across the site, you are better off reading the article and forget about the comments and disregard the rest of it, because 99% of the time it’s pure garbage, although you might find some intriguing thoughts, but few and far between and they must admit to the “cause” one way or another to knit in antisemitic/racist ideology or a sarcastic comment, otherwise the member might find himself being ridiculed or – my guess – suspended for being a suspcious “race traitor” or perhaps an “undercover Jew” and those are probably the biggest offenses you could commit on the site.

I’m not even sure if everybody is really a “WN” (White Nationalists) there,  I’m pretty good at analyzing people by what they write and i get the feeling, that many members – especially newcomers in the past few years- aren’t really  “white nationalists” but disgruntled everyday people, who feel being pushed over by either their employers or found themselves of being part of or being the witness of a crime, that might have been committed by a minority group.  I would say, they must submit themselves to the main ideology of what Stormfront was built upon, so whether they really mean it or not,  racism and antisemitism must be sewn into their posts and replies, otherwise pressure will be applied by other members and member can easily be pushed out and discredited without mercy.

….To be continued….

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Why the wars are failures or will be failures anyway Tuesday, Nov 17 2009 

Why the wars are failures or will be failures

Some just refuse to understand this simple logical fact, or just damn evil to enforce it and make you believe that they are right and everybody else is wrong. Don't listen to them!

The biggest problem with the wars and interference is the incompatibility of “our” way with “their” way.

And there is more.

I’m sure of many thinks, that extremism, such as extremist religion and extremist state laws and human rights abuses plays a major role why would most Americans support the idea of “bringing democracy” to these countries.

The biggest problem is, that “our way” is not necessarily compatible and not just that, but “our way” might have become a lot worse, since our economy is the one crumbling, our human right laws are flawed and our jails are full of criminals. This is what they see from over there and of course they don’t want something similar, because they will just point the finger and say “Look, you tell us that it’s horrific to execute people and yet you do the same. You say, our protests were broken up by violent force of the police and yet you do the same (G20 protest). You tell us, that we are extreme, and yet you fill up the jails with people. You tell us that our religion is violent, and yet yours aren’t far, since you are the ones who bomb and imprison innocent people who got nothing to do with world affairs. ”

So what I’m trying to say is…maybe “our way” of life is just as flawed (if not as much) and it is quite hypocritical to try to force such ideology and system to others who got something else.

The Star of David has already became the symbol of oppression, just like the Swastika in Europe

Also about the cultural, ideological, traditional differences. The reason of the violence regarding Israel and the rest is, basically just that. Israel tries (tried) to maintain a system which is based on western ideas and western style living in the middle of a place, where everything else is sharply different. Jordan has a king, Syria is the same, Iran is an Islamic Republic. This is why the Jewish state fails..because it’s too small of a boat in the sea of an entirely different culture, which developed differently but highly compatible to region itself and Israel sticks out as a sore thumb. And this is even a bigger issue, than whether or not Jewish religion differences versus Islam, since many Islamic countries still have quite large Jewish diaspora, even iran has over 60,000 Jews living there since Babylonian times. So it’s not really the question of religion or belief (Both Islam and Jewish are Abrahamic religions anyway so we aren’t talking about sharp differences like Christianity and Buddhism for example) .
The problem is, that after WWII, the Jews who left Europe and formed a state, they brought the European style ideology and used force to gain enough power and land and tried to exist. Unfortunately those Jews who started this, are really not compatible to the region, since they are more Euro

Not all Jews are Zionists

Zionism is Nationalism, but not all Jews are Zionists

pean than Middle-Eastern, save the original population who lived there already.

So anyway, that’s just an example, of how different traditions and governmental-political-ideological systems can be completely incompatible and forcefully trying to change a state or a country will incite bloodshed and hate, no matter what.

Jews in Iran. Jewish religion is NOT alien in the Middle-East

The Middle-East is a hard nutshell to crack..and while we can keep sending thousands upon thousands of troops, it will make a little or no difference. The Afghanistan war or the Iraq war are like a milk drop into a coffee. You try to change the coffee color to milky-coffee but 2-3 drops will just disappear in the whole cup without making any differences. That’s why even if Iraq has a puppet president who support western ideas and even if the Afghan war would be won and a new Honest (not Karzai) president would be sitting there, It might not last long, due to the incredible force of thousands of years of traditions and cultural values and they might just sweep it out within years and everything goes back to what it was or something close to it.

-Well, don’t take that the wrong way, I’m not trying to reference it anyway to skin color or ethnicity, i’m just trying to find a metaphorical example.

So how to change them?

Well, how about by an example of ourselves instead of wars?  How about showing our greatness of leading in technology and social + ideological reforms necessary and not run endlessly in the mouse wheel of stillness?

Peace

Ideas and ways of life that transforms the world and make others change their ways and ideologies towards the better. These are ideas worth spreading

If USA (or EU) want others to change, you aren’t supposed to be using force, because then that becomes the example itself. What we gotta do is to show an example of non-aggression and work on our own problems and work out or own problems and try to leap forward from this staleness and violent behavior.
I can almost guarantee you, that good example without violent interference will definitely make others to follow much quicker than forcing them to swallow a pill, that we wouldn’t even swallow either.

Informacio 2001 Szeptember 11-ikerol Saturday, Oct 24 2009 

Masolok.

In an interview with Christopher Deliso of Antiwar.com, former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds
says that the US government—the State Department in
particular—consistently blocks counterterrorism investigations that
come too close to certain top-level people. “We go for the Attas and
Hamdis—but never touch the guys on the top.… [It] would upset ‘certain
foreign relations.’ But it would also expose certain of our elected
officials, who have significant connections with high-level drugs- and
weapons- smuggling—and thus with the criminal underground, even with
the terrorists themselves.… [A]ll of these high-level criminal
operations involve working with foreign people, foreign countries, the
outside world—and to a certain extent these relations do depend on the
continuation of criminal activities.” Edmonds
says that the government’s investigation into the financing of al-Qaeda
is a case in point. “You know, they are coming down on these charities
as the finance of al-Qaeda.… [But] a very small percentage comes from
these charity foundations. The vast majority of their financing comes
from narcotics. Look, we had 4 to 6 percent of the narcotics coming
from the East, coming from Pakistan, coming from Afghanistan via the
Balkans to the United States. Today, three or four years after Sept.
11, that has reached over 15 percent. How is it getting here? Who are
getting the proceedings from those big narcotics?… But I can tell you
there are a lot of people involved, a lot of ranking officials, and a
lot of illegal activities that include multi-billion-dollar
drug-smuggling operations, black-market nuclear sales to terrorists and
unsavory regimes, you name it. And of course a lot of people from
abroad are involved.” She says that her allegations against co-worker
Melek Can Dickerson and her lawsuit against the FBI are just the tip of
the iceberg. She expresses frustration that the media wants to only
focus on the whistleblower aspect of her case instead of looking into
the substance of her allegations. She says that it was completely by
chance that she stumbled over an ongoing investigation into this
international criminal network. “You can start from the AIPAC angle.
You can start from the [Valerie] Plame case. You can start from my
case. They all end up going to the same place, and they revolve around
the same nucleus of people. There may be a lot of them, but it is one
group. And they are very dangerous for all of us.” [Anti-War (.com), 8/15/2005]

Entity Tags: Sibel Edmonds, US Department of State, Al-Qaeda

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline

A Háborúk Ára Friday, Oct 23 2009 

http://costofwar.com/

Police and protesters clash in Hungary Monday, Mar 17 2008 

Hungarian police have fired tear gas to disperse a crowd of protesters who responded with Molotov cocktails and stones following a right-wing rally as Hungary commemorated the 1848 revolution against the Austrian Habsburgs.

Trouble broke out following the rally and rock concert in downtown Budapest when Gyorgy Budahazy, one of the ringleaders of anti-government riots in September 2006, called on supporters to march on a building where Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany was giving a speech.

Several hundred protesters, many of them youths wearing masks, headed in the direction of the building, reportedly beating photographers and cameramen along the way.

Riot police then confronted the protesters, facing a rain of stones and Molotov cocktails as they attempted to disperse them.

By late evening, at least 15 people had been arrested and two police officers injured.

Tensions had been raised by a referendum, held last Sunday, in which Hungarians overwhelmingly voted to cancel fees for medical treatment and higher education.

The fees were part of economic reforms aimed at cutting the budget deficit and eventually allowing Hungary to adopt the euro.

Centre-right opposition party Fidesz had billed the referendum as a judgement on an unpopular government and its economic reforms, but has refrained from repeating earlier calls for the government to resign should it lose the referendum.

An official late afternoon rally organised by Fidesz in downtown Budapest passed off peacefully, with tens of thousands heading off after listening to party leader Viktor Orban speak.

However, right-wing groups that have been involved in anti-government rioting over the last 18 months fulfilled expectations that they would use the referendum result to call for Gyurcsany to go and potentially renew street violence.

Police cordoned off parliament and also maintained a heavy presence at many of the official events commemorating the revolution.

Nonetheless, earlier in the day, protesters targeted Budapest Mayor Gabor Demszky, a member of junior coalition party the Alliance of Free Democrats, with eggs and stones as part of demonstrations against the hugely unpopular government.

The trouble was the latest flare-up in 18 months of on-off anti-government protests and violence.

© 2008 AAP

From:

http://news.theage.com.au/police-and-protesters-clash-in-hungary/20080316-1zpn.html

Hungary protests turn violent Monday, Mar 17 2008 

Hundreds of anti-government protesters have clashed with the police in Hungary, as they proceeded to disrupt commemorations of the failed 1848 war of independence against the Habsburgs monarchy.At least 21 people were detained, three police officers were lightly injured and a number of police vehicles were hit by the molotov cocktails and stones thrown by the protesters on Saturday.

The protesters, mostly members of the Hungarian Self Defense Movement, were on the way to the Palace of Art, where Ferenc Gyurcsany, the prime minister, was participating in a commemoration event.

The police fired tear gas and dispersed the protesters, before they could reach the venue.

The Hungarian media reported that protesters also attacked a journalist covering the violence and that the clothes of two demonstrators caught fire, after being hit with a Molotov cocktail, that was aimed at police.

Police set up metal barriers around the Hungarian parliament and several other areas where official events were being held.

Unpopular PM

 

Peter Rabai, a 53-year-old Hungarian salesman attending one of the rallies, said: “The government has to go. They are ruining Hungary.”

Demands for Gyurcsany’s resignation intensified after Hungarians repealed three of his economic reform measures in a referendum held by Fidesz, the main opposition party.

Viktor Orban, the former prime minister of Hungary, said: Since the referendum, we know that Hungary deserves better.”Fidesz has often compared Gyurcsany’s current government to that which served the interests of the Habsburgs 160 years ago.

In September 2006, protests and riots broke out after Gyurcsany was heard admitting on a leaked recording that he had lied for months about the economy, so as to win the April 2006 elections.

from here.

National holiday but no national unity in Hungary Monday, Mar 17 2008 

A national holiday in Hungary has come to an end in an atmosphere of national discord. As night fell in Budapest minor scuffles broke out, with small neo-nazi groups the most vociferous of thousands of anti-government protestors. Heavy security measures though prevented the violent demonstrations seen in recent years that many had feared.

The holiday commemorates the failed Hungarian revolt of 1848 against the Habsburg empire.

The leader of the main opposition party, Viktor Orban, seized the chance to compare the current government to the one supported by the Habsburgs 160 years ago. Then the Hungarian people wanted independence.

Now, the problems are mainly economic. An EU member since 2004, Hungary has the bloc’s slowest rate of economic growth and its highest budget deficit. Last week the socialist Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany lost a referendum over planned reforms. He had hoped to introduce fees in hospitals and universities.

Recent surveys put Gyurcsany’s approval ratings at just 19 percent. Investors have praised him for improving the budget deficit but the public, hit by tax rises and spending cuts, seems to be running out of patience.

From:

http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=475369&lng=1