Why the wars are failures or will be failures anyway Tuesday, Nov 17 2009 

Why the wars are failures or will be failures

Some just refuse to understand this simple logical fact, or just damn evil to enforce it and make you believe that they are right and everybody else is wrong. Don't listen to them!

The biggest problem with the wars and interference is the incompatibility of “our” way with “their” way.

And there is more.

I’m sure of many thinks, that extremism, such as extremist religion and extremist state laws and human rights abuses plays a major role why would most Americans support the idea of “bringing democracy” to these countries.

The biggest problem is, that “our way” is not necessarily compatible and not just that, but “our way” might have become a lot worse, since our economy is the one crumbling, our human right laws are flawed and our jails are full of criminals. This is what they see from over there and of course they don’t want something similar, because they will just point the finger and say “Look, you tell us that it’s horrific to execute people and yet you do the same. You say, our protests were broken up by violent force of the police and yet you do the same (G20 protest). You tell us, that we are extreme, and yet you fill up the jails with people. You tell us that our religion is violent, and yet yours aren’t far, since you are the ones who bomb and imprison innocent people who got nothing to do with world affairs. ”

So what I’m trying to say is…maybe “our way” of life is just as flawed (if not as much) and it is quite hypocritical to try to force such ideology and system to others who got something else.

The Star of David has already became the symbol of oppression, just like the Swastika in Europe

Also about the cultural, ideological, traditional differences. The reason of the violence regarding Israel and the rest is, basically just that. Israel tries (tried) to maintain a system which is based on western ideas and western style living in the middle of a place, where everything else is sharply different. Jordan has a king, Syria is the same, Iran is an Islamic Republic. This is why the Jewish state fails..because it’s too small of a boat in the sea of an entirely different culture, which developed differently but highly compatible to region itself and Israel sticks out as a sore thumb. And this is even a bigger issue, than whether or not Jewish religion differences versus Islam, since many Islamic countries still have quite large Jewish diaspora, even iran has over 60,000 Jews living there since Babylonian times. So it’s not really the question of religion or belief (Both Islam and Jewish are Abrahamic religions anyway so we aren’t talking about sharp differences like Christianity and Buddhism for example) .
The problem is, that after WWII, the Jews who left Europe and formed a state, they brought the European style ideology and used force to gain enough power and land and tried to exist. Unfortunately those Jews who started this, are really not compatible to the region, since they are more Euro

Not all Jews are Zionists

Zionism is Nationalism, but not all Jews are Zionists

pean than Middle-Eastern, save the original population who lived there already.

So anyway, that’s just an example, of how different traditions and governmental-political-ideological systems can be completely incompatible and forcefully trying to change a state or a country will incite bloodshed and hate, no matter what.

Jews in Iran. Jewish religion is NOT alien in the Middle-East

The Middle-East is a hard nutshell to crack..and while we can keep sending thousands upon thousands of troops, it will make a little or no difference. The Afghanistan war or the Iraq war are like a milk drop into a coffee. You try to change the coffee color to milky-coffee but 2-3 drops will just disappear in the whole cup without making any differences. That’s why even if Iraq has a puppet president who support western ideas and even if the Afghan war would be won and a new Honest (not Karzai) president would be sitting there, It might not last long, due to the incredible force of thousands of years of traditions and cultural values and they might just sweep it out within years and everything goes back to what it was or something close to it.

-Well, don’t take that the wrong way, I’m not trying to reference it anyway to skin color or ethnicity, i’m just trying to find a metaphorical example.

So how to change them?

Well, how about by an example of ourselves instead of wars?  How about showing our greatness of leading in technology and social + ideological reforms necessary and not run endlessly in the mouse wheel of stillness?


Ideas and ways of life that transforms the world and make others change their ways and ideologies towards the better. These are ideas worth spreading

If USA (or EU) want others to change, you aren’t supposed to be using force, because then that becomes the example itself. What we gotta do is to show an example of non-aggression and work on our own problems and work out or own problems and try to leap forward from this staleness and violent behavior.
I can almost guarantee you, that good example without violent interference will definitely make others to follow much quicker than forcing them to swallow a pill, that we wouldn’t even swallow either.

Informacio 2001 Szeptember 11-ikerol Saturday, Oct 24 2009 


In an interview with Christopher Deliso of Antiwar.com, former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds
says that the US government—the State Department in
particular—consistently blocks counterterrorism investigations that
come too close to certain top-level people. “We go for the Attas and
Hamdis—but never touch the guys on the top.… [It] would upset ‘certain
foreign relations.’ But it would also expose certain of our elected
officials, who have significant connections with high-level drugs- and
weapons- smuggling—and thus with the criminal underground, even with
the terrorists themselves.… [A]ll of these high-level criminal
operations involve working with foreign people, foreign countries, the
outside world—and to a certain extent these relations do depend on the
continuation of criminal activities.” Edmonds
says that the government’s investigation into the financing of al-Qaeda
is a case in point. “You know, they are coming down on these charities
as the finance of al-Qaeda.… [But] a very small percentage comes from
these charity foundations. The vast majority of their financing comes
from narcotics. Look, we had 4 to 6 percent of the narcotics coming
from the East, coming from Pakistan, coming from Afghanistan via the
Balkans to the United States. Today, three or four years after Sept.
11, that has reached over 15 percent. How is it getting here? Who are
getting the proceedings from those big narcotics?… But I can tell you
there are a lot of people involved, a lot of ranking officials, and a
lot of illegal activities that include multi-billion-dollar
drug-smuggling operations, black-market nuclear sales to terrorists and
unsavory regimes, you name it. And of course a lot of people from
abroad are involved.” She says that her allegations against co-worker
Melek Can Dickerson and her lawsuit against the FBI are just the tip of
the iceberg. She expresses frustration that the media wants to only
focus on the whistleblower aspect of her case instead of looking into
the substance of her allegations. She says that it was completely by
chance that she stumbled over an ongoing investigation into this
international criminal network. “You can start from the AIPAC angle.
You can start from the [Valerie] Plame case. You can start from my
case. They all end up going to the same place, and they revolve around
the same nucleus of people. There may be a lot of them, but it is one
group. And they are very dangerous for all of us.” [Anti-War (.com), 8/15/2005]

Entity Tags: Sibel Edmonds, US Department of State, Al-Qaeda

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline

A Háborúk Ára Friday, Oct 23 2009